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Load development day!

5/24/2017

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I'd like to kick off this blog series with a walk-through of my load testing experience at the range last Sunday. While future articles will dive into the details of a specific concept, I think it will be helpful to first offer some context and demonstrate how objective thinking leads to practical results.
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I fired a match at 600 meters last Saturday and wasn't happy with the grouping. I was using roughly the same load I had been last year which performed well, but whether it was the warm weather or a new lot of Varget I started in December, something just seemed off.

Many times I have gone to the range with a plan, left with a conclusion, but by the next morning after running some numbers, there were still open questions. This time I decided not to leave until I was happy, period. I need confidence in a load that will take me through the summer, and I'll do absolutely anything for it.

Equipment.

I brought 110 cases primed with BR-2, and everything I need to measure powder and seat bullets. It's essential to bring what you need to load at the range. It only takes a few shots to identify a bad group, but you'll need many, many more to prove a good one.

You may notice the Autotrickler is missing. For range days where I only load 5 at a time, it's faster to use a manual trickler than to automate. I always use my scale, but screw a Hornady plastic trickler to the wind panel base which is convenient and light.
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Today ​I set up two Two-Box Chronos and a LabRadar. My secondary objective was to collect data from all three and try to measure the precision of the LabRadar. Unfortunately the LabRadar only recorded 5 shots until it gave an error that the "transmitter frequency is out of range" and would no longer arm.

For the Two-Box at 15-foot spacing, I just needed a pillow on one end to get them level. With crude but reasonable alignment they reported as expected, with a consistent difference of 9-11 fps for almost all shots.
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Let's see what we're working with.

I use Berger 185 Juggernauts with Varget. For my targets, I aim at the circle and the bullets land on the cross, so my sight picture is always clear. The distance is about 115 yards, so 1 moa is a bit larger than the distance from the circle to the cross.

​First I fired some leftover ammo from last match, where I had loaded charges of 43.6, 44.0, and 44.4 at 13 jump. This result confirms my suspicion that the groups are less than impressive.
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My interpretation of these groups is that they all belong to the same population, meaning I believe the 44.0 group is coincidentally small. The group just so happens to be low. I've already shot two matches at 44.0 and the result was mediocre, so I believe it was just chance that 7 shots fell in the bottom part of the group.
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Velocities of these groups look reasonable. I usually have an SD around 6, and no shots show anything outside of expectation. For now, I will simply collect velocity data until I have anything statistical to say, and keep an eye out for outliers.

Where to go from here?


At this point I should explain my underlying theory of how rifles work. I have working hypotheses that, within reasonable limits for pressure and jump:
  • Group size is primarily dependent on seating depth (jump)
  • Velocity SD is primarily dependent on powder charge
  • Group shape is a statistical illusion. Size is all that matters.

This model allows you to separate and measure the variables independently, rather than having to test every load combination for both SD and group size. It drastically reduces the amount of data you need to have statistical confidence in a test result.

This theory requires a heavy, target barrel. Barrel whip is significant factor for hunting rifles and AR-15s, but changing velocity will not move your POI around with barrels typically used in F-Class.


I plan to elaborate on this in a future post, but for now, just think of it as a heuristic to aid in decision making. Whether it's actually correct or not doesn't matter at the moment, as we are just at the range trying to find something that works, and any theory that gets us there faster is welcome.

Back to the challenge at hand, clearly changing jump is prudent, because the group size needs to improve. I haven't tried jamming these bullets, and many people say, in general, touching the lands is a good place to start. For charge, I felt last week that 44.4 held the tightest elevation at distance, so we might as well try going in that direction and see what happens.
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Now we seem to be getting somewhere. Here are two 10-shot groups at 5 jump and 2 jam. Velocities are falling in line between 2791 and 2817, having an SD of 6.

This is encouraging, but what happens if we keep going? Increase both jam and powder charge, find where things fall apart and then we know the limit to stay away from.
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​So I increased the charge to 45 grains. Four shots are tight, but one spiked up to 2843 fps and flew way out of the group! The primer had some distinct cratering, so I think I found the pressure limit, and now I know what not to do.

Now that I found the upper limit, I was curious: what happens if I still touch the lands but bring the charge way down to 43.0 and 43.5? It's a good idea to test all sorts of ideas to learn how your rifle behaves, even if you think you've found something you like.
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​Well that's quite unexpected. Velocities are consistent, but the groups are ugly despite being near the lands. Remember, I assume powder charge should not affect group size, and being near the lands seemed to produce tight groups. One of these assumptions must be incorrect.

To get to the bottom of this, we can go back up in charge, say 44.3. If the groups are still good, then maybe we have to accept that powder charge caused the large groups. If they are bad, then we must add this data to the earlier result and perhaps touching the lands is not so special.
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This looks a lot like it did before. Not bad, 20 shots around 1/2 moa. Unfortunately my theory about the nature of rifle accuracy takes a beating, as this seems to confirm that 44.3 produces a different group than 43.5.

Oh, one more thing...


I could pack up and leave now, having fired 40 shots between 44.3 and 44.5 at +/- 5 jump. I'd leave with what appears to be a 1/2 moa group and question that my theory about powder charge and seating depth is wrong. I wouldn't say I'm over the moon with this result but it's surely acceptable.

At this point I asked myself a question. If I fired one more group, do I feel confident that it would be just as good? Or am I scared that more testing just means more chance of finding out it's not actually good at all?

Intuitively, we don't want to "push our luck". But that kind of thinking is counter productive. A load is what it is and more testing is always a good thing.

​So, with plenty of primed cases left and not much else to do today, I fired 20 more shots into three groups:
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Throughout this string, I was thinking, "okay, this isn't great but I can live with it". Until fate grabbed onto the very last bullet and yanked it so far outside the group that I could barely comprehend what had happened.

I walked down to the targets and just sat there on the ground, thinking, and staring at the paper. I labeled each group and racked my brain for an interpretation that explains the result.
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We have 59 shots in a group I was willing to accept, plus one that speaks a different language. ​I don't believe in fliers. Fliers are statistical outliers which are an expected part of a normal distribution. When you have a shot like this in 60, it screams at you that something is wrong. I can only make so many excuses for a so-so load before I have to face the fact that this is not actually "good enough".

Here's what those 60 shots look like, overlayed into a single group:
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​Now we see the truth plain as day. This load sucks. That "flier" on the right simply joins a low shot as well as the top right corner shot that we didn't think about without the context of all the data together.

Calling that one shot a flier and accepting that result with false confidence would have been a huge mistake. We are only human after all.

Back to the drawing board.


​Still sitting on the ground at the targets, I looked for something new I hadn't tried yet. Realizing that 'at the lands' is actually bad, every group so far is ruled out, and the only thing left to try is more jump. If that doesn't work, I'm in serious trouble.

In other news, my theory about charge and seating depth being independent is brought back to life! Disproving the theory required that 44.3 was good at the lands while 43.5 was not. The world is beginning to make sense again.

Calling on some superstition, I loaded my trusty charge of 44.0 that got me through 2016, and pushed the bullets out to 23 and 28 jump.
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​Aha! This feels good. Now I will change to 44.3 to take advantage of all the velocity data collected so far, and keep going out to 33 jump to see if I'm at a limit:
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From 23 to 33 we have amazing 5-shot groups. At this point I only have 10 primed cases left, so I loaded 44.3 and 25 jump for verification. I felt a lot more confident this time around that these last tests would confirm the load rather than ruin it.
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Success! The last group (9) is wider than the others, ​but there was quite a bit of wind later in the afternoon and it seemed to be pulling the first four shots in that group progressively to the right. Then, for the fifth shot, suddenly mirage appeared, the wind dropped, and the last bullet popped back into the middle (which is the left of this group). If I had more cases I would have kept shooting, but I'm pretty confident this was the case here.

Bringing it all together.

Overlaying all the shots for jammed, 13 jump, and 23+ jump, we have these combined plots. The hash marks are 1/4 moa.
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2 to 8 jam (40 shots)
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13 jump (23 shots)
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23 to 33 jump (30 shots)

I came to the range with 13 jump, and settled on 25. The elevation spread is about 3/8 moa, and that's through some mirage. That's about as good a result as I could ever hope for.

I settled on 44.3 grains after confirming consistency up to 44.5, with problems appearing at 45. More velocity is better so I'd rather shoot 44.3 than 44.0, all else equal. I should be in the 2780 fps range, which is great for these bullets.

Have we statistically proven an improvement? Based on the group size from 13 and 25+ jump, there is a 99.8% chance that they are from different populations, meaning the observed difference is extremely unlikely to be random chance. That calculation uses the F-test, which I will cover in detail later.
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This graph groups the velocity SD across powder charges, and displays an 80% confidence interval (based on number of shots). This is something I plan to dive into on a future post, but at first glance we can see the SD is fairly consistent across the full range, with the exception of the 5 shots at 45.0.

For 104 shots from 44.0 to 44.5, the SD is 6.7, with high confidence. With this load I can expect an 95% extreme spread of 0.87 moa at 900 meters, which is pretty good. The SD is a tad high, which limits the performance at long range, but I can work with that. Now that I know my SD is insensitive to powder charge, I can move past fine tuning charge and try weighing primers or newer cases to see if there is a minor improvement to be made (which will require a very precise chrono).

In conclusion.

This exercise helped me settle on the load I will likely use at the F-Class World Championships this year, and I hope it inspires you to run a similar test yourself. Your rifle might be capable of a lot more than you realize.

Many people worry over the details of reloading that don't actually matter that much. As long as you are consistent and careful in your reloading methods, you will find the most improvement from efficiently sampling powder charge and seating depth, and analyzing data for statistical conclusions.

If you have some chronograph data and photos of groups, send me your data and I'll have a look. I'll post what I think in the comments. Thanks for reading!
25 Comments
Tony
5/24/2017 04:07:14 pm

I read your article with interest about the seating depth. I'm certainly not an expert, but I found while developing loads for a couple of my rifles that testing seating depth at a low to medium powder charge FIRST and then testing powder charge increments at the best seating depth has proved to work very well. Saves some powder and bullets too.

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Greg Lipsit
5/24/2017 04:39:47 pm

For those of us that are new to this sport, would you please list the basic rifle, optic, bipod, etc. shown in the photos.,

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Adam
5/24/2017 05:45:18 pm

It's a Barnard P action, Kreiger 10:1 5R, MTU contour barrel, 30 inch length, Dolphin bipod (version 2), Sightron S3 10x50 scope (1/8 moa clicks). There's a few other custom tricks to it, I'll explain thoroughly in 2 or 3 blog posts.

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HOLLIS HOLDEN
5/24/2017 05:09:46 pm

I really enjoy what you are doing with the Blog and I love the Autotrickler!

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Michael Ellison
5/24/2017 05:15:44 pm

Great analysis. The problem I have with seating depth is accurately determining distance to lands. Have used both Stoney Point and Sinclair tools. They are very tedious to use and each measurement is different no matter how careful. I am getting a rifle rebarreled and the gunsmith will use part of excess barrel and make me an identical chamber to gun so can get a precise measurement. Cannot wait.

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Hollis Holden
5/24/2017 05:43:24 pm

Michael, You will still wind up having to "chase the lands" as the throat wears with increasing rounds fired.

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Adam
5/24/2017 05:47:30 pm

My method of measuring the lands is to take a fired case and size a tiny, tiny bit of the end with a neck bushing die. Just enough to hold a bullet. Then expand the neck up by seating a bullet and pulling it back out. Then lube a bullet with case lube, seat it long, and chamber it. If you have light enough neck tension, the bullet will seat to the lands and not be pulled back out. Experiment with the amount of tension until you find an amount that gives you consistent results. This way I believe I can get to within 1 thou.

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Michael Ellison
5/24/2017 07:14:48 pm

Thanks.

Morgen Dietrich
5/24/2017 07:49:45 pm

Take a fired case, use a dremel cutoff wheel and make a cut down the neck. This case should hold a bullet, you can pinch it if needed. Start a bullet in it, then use the bolt to seat. Measure the distance, much faster than Sinclair tool (which I have too) and repeatable.

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Monte E Milanuk
5/25/2017 05:33:17 pm

Take a look at this video...

https://youtu.be/TWmIwPwLyyg

Very good, very consistent way to find your seating depth. No modified cases, etc.

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Adam
5/26/2017 09:38:42 am

That's incredible, thank you. My lands were 8 thou closer than I thought.

Herman Harke
8/23/2017 10:07:04 pm

Go to Wheeler Accuracy and look at his video on how to find the lands.

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Alex West
5/25/2017 11:33:54 am

Adam, how are you doing the bullet overlays? And in the field? Excuse me for showing my age, but is there an app for that?

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Adam
5/25/2017 11:39:37 am

It's photoshop. I didn't have the luxury of the overlays at the range, which sure makes things harder to see. It's a good idea for an app.

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Eric
10/4/2017 05:38:14 am

Have you thought about printing targets onto transparencies (with some aligning features), putting one in front of a white sheet of paper, and putting a bullet through both? Rinse and repeat, then overlay all shot transparencies (using the aligning features) to see the overall shot group.

Mike
6/14/2017 12:36:11 am

Hi Adam. Nice article; thanks. I have been experimenting with loads at 100m and 600m and have an observation. At 100m my best load is not always my best load at 600m, and my best loads at 600m seem to have the best chrono results (SD &ES), whereas at 100m it's usually not the case. Could it be that the chrono is not all that important at short distances, whereas at longer ranges it becomes more important?

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Adam
6/14/2017 08:48:22 am

That's exactly right. Velocity affects elevation only to a significant amount past 500 yards or so. Stick with the powder charge that gives you the best SD or group at 600, and then go back to 100 and change seating depth until you have a small group there. Then you get the best of both worlds.

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Kristoff
4/2/2018 10:04:14 am

Adam, love your blog and thinking! I shoot a Savage model 14 in 308Win--no major mods except bedding, with a 3-9x40 scope. Not exactly a long range machine, but I do enjoy trying and learning with what I have.

In your opinion what is a realistic dispersion to expect from such a rifle at 100yds if I can spend some good time on load development? There's no point in trying to obtain groups that are completely unrealistic for my equipment. Up to now, I have been getting 10-shot groups of 1.2-1.5 MOA @ 100yds.

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Adam
4/2/2018 10:11:57 am

I'd expect with that sort of rifle you could squeeze the groups down to 1 moa by testing a few different powder charges +/- 0.5 grains. With a shorter, thinner barrel, barrel harmonics are the dominant factor and you should focus on big changes in powder charge and see how it affects group position.

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John Cook
5/15/2019 12:32:02 pm

Just bought your 2 box Chrono and I am in the process of devouring your articles etc....

My Statistics teacher(graduate Nursing/Nurse Practitioner) would love your application of stat. He would however go apocalyptic at one comment you made .... He would CONSTANTLY tell us that Statistics cannot PROVE anything; stats will of course show correlation/confidence and can of course DISPROVE theories.... I realize it's semantics but something I still remember to this day :)

Have we statistically proven an improvement? Based on the group size from 13 and 25+ jump, there is a 99.8% chance that they are from different populations, meaning the observed difference is extremely unlikely to be random chance.

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Peter Bono link
6/26/2019 01:15:52 am

What do you mean Jump in this article? You used numbers like +13. Is that the distance from the landing of the barrel to the Ogive of the bullet (projectile) ?

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JOSÉ GODINHO NETO
3/18/2020 05:18:26 pm

FIRST MY CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR STATISTICAL ARTICLE, IT WAS VERY GOOD.


I AM F-CLASS PRACTITIONER, FTR. CUSTOM RIFLE .308 OF 26 "I HAVE THE FOLLOWING MATERIALS, PRIMERS: CCI BR-2, CCI-200

POWEDER: IMR 4064, VARGET

BULLET: BERGER 185 HYBRID, BERGER 185 JUGGERNAUT

SIERRA: SMK175
BRASS: LAPUA, NORMA


WHAT IS THE BEST COMBINATION TO START MY TESTING FRIEND ??

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adam
3/19/2020 09:07:38 am

BR2, Juggernaut, Lapua brass. Norma has thin necks, requires smaller bushings. If you can get 2600 fps minimum you'll be able to compete at 1000 yards. Best way to change something and get more velocity is switch to small primer Lapua brass and use BR4.

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Ruger 15151
5/14/2020 11:56:29 am

Love the analysis. Above you mentioned BR2, Juggernaut, and Lapua Brass. Do you have a preference on powder?

Also, I see that you are suggesting CCI primers. Do you stay away from Federal 210M primers?

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Jim
9/2/2020 08:05:48 am

First off , Thanks ! Very good food for thought. This touches on nearly all the things that niggle at me while developing loads . The method for finding “ touch” length that Milanuk shared was great also.
But all this brings me to facing the fact head on that accurate velocity readings are the foundation .
Having used an Oehler 35p with 8’spacing in the past and now a Labradar I find myself still lacking in confidence with the readings .
And just when I thought I had found a solution (two box) I see that it’s not available . I hope it’s not too long before it is again .

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